B: RE: RE: RE: guess we will be removing VOR antennas

[Steven Oxman]

So why not use a Loran unit?
Reliable?  Less costly than the GPS units?
And not going away for quite a while now.

Steven W. Oxman
385 Westbury Drive
Riva, MD 21140
410-956-3080 (home)
410-703-2473 (cell)
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--- On Mon, 9/1/08, Ron Mathis <ron at angerole.com> wrote:

> From: Ron Mathis <ron at angerole.com>
> Subject: B: RE: RE: RE: guess we will be removing VOR antennas
> To: beech-owners at beechcraft.org
> Date: Monday, September 1, 2008, 3:39 PM
> Hello Mike
> 
> How about looking at it another way - suppose GPS with a
> database you had to
> buy was the status quo and the Feds announced they were
> going to do away
> with all that unreliable and prone to jamming and outages
> satellite stuff
> and install some new ground based thing called VOR. It
> would be free for
> your taxes and all you needed was some paper charts to use
> it. Do you think
> everyone would jump on it and call it the best thing since
> sliced bread? I
> would hazard a guess not.
> 
> I whine about it just like anyone else when I have to buy
> my GPS
> subscription but honestly it's not that bad and
> it's a bargain for the
> capability.
> 
> Just one person's view
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ron Mathis
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: beech-owners-bounces at beechcraft.org
> [mailto:beech-owners-bounces at beechcraft.org] On Behalf Of
> Mike Caban
> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:57 AM
> To: beech-owners at beechcraft.org
> Subject: B: RE: RE: guess we will be removing VOR antennas
> 
> This would be an OUTSTANDING timing opportunity for
> AOPA/ABS and everyone
> else to get on the Feds a$$e$ to give the pilot community a
> FREE GPS
> database protocol that just gets loaded onto whatever
> memory card you have
> and pops into your GPS.
> 
> End of discussion! Give the pilot community that and IMHO,
> they can bulldoze
> all the ground crap except for the ILS.
> 
> BWTHDIK!!!!!! 
> 
> 
> Mike
>  
> N2023W
> 1965 B-55/TC-971
> KDTO Denton, TX
> mike at michaelcaban.com
> http://tinyurl.com/CSOBeech
> http://picasaweb.google.com/michaelcaban/BeechBaronN2023W
>  
> "The flight is the reason, the destination is only an
> excuse!"
>  
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: beech-owners-bounces at beechcraft.org
> [mailto:beech-owners-bounces at beechcraft.org] On Behalf Of
> John Foose
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:04 PM
> To: beech-owners at beechcraft.org
> Subject: B: RE: guess we will be removing VOR antennas
> 
> I hate to see the Gummit eliminate a system which we can
> all use for free,
> and replace it with a system that makes us beholden to
> Garmin, Jepp or
> someone for a price that may or may not be reasonable to
> some/all.   So..to fly IFR after the VOR's go away will
> be a spendy
> proposition for some.   John 
> 
> 
> John Foose
> KPAE (Paine Field, WA)
> N2024Q A-36 TN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: beech-owners-bounces at beechcraft.org
> [mailto:beech-owners-bounces at beechcraft.org] On Behalf Of
> Kevin O'Halloran
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:42 AM
> To: beech- >> "beech-owners at beechcraft.org"
> Subject: B: guess we will be removing VOR antennas
> 
> 
>       FAA intends to reduce VOR network soon
> 
> By AOPA ePublishing staff
> 
> The FAA has confirmed to AOPA that it is making plans to
> reduce the network
> of VORs across the country, beginning in 2010.
> 
> However, AOPA members are not quite convinced that a
> widespread VOR
> reduction is acceptable. Survey information shows that only
> about half of
> AOPA members believe a significant number of VORs can be
> eliminated without
> affecting their flight operations.
> 
> "Clearly this marks a big step forward in pilot
> acceptance of GPS and
> reduced reliance on VORs, but members are still saying
> 'not yet,'" said Andy
> Cebula, AOPA executive vice president of government
> affairs.
> 
> Despite high levels of GPS use, FAA regulations require
> pilots who use GPS
> to also carry a primary navigation system, and for general
> aviation the
> primary system available for regulatory compliance is VOR. 
> Second-generation GPS systems that incorporate the Wide
> Area Augmentation
> System (WAAS) do not require VOR as a backup, but the
> current state of
> equipage in the GA fleet is about 15 percent.
> 
> In a letter
> <http://download.aopa.org/epilot/2008/080828vor.pdf>
> to the FAA,
> AOPA cautioned the FAA against making plans to reduce VORs
> because there are
> several key issues currently preventing the dismantling of
> the VOR
> infrastructure. Barriers include pilot confidence in
> relying solely on GPS
> signals and the lack of systematic implementation of area
> navigation. AOPA
> pointed out that the FAA should broaden its focus to ensure
> that all IFR
> flights can be conducted from takeoff to touchdown with an
> IFR GPS,
> regardless of the airports involved. Ultimately, the FAA
> needs to change its
> policies to reduce GA's reliance on VORs.